Template talk:Wikimania 2025 header
Latest comment: 8 months ago by MrBenjo in topic Category transclusion
Category transclusion
Could some sysop please remove |/Translations from the template, as this makes all pages that use the header appear in Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations. In addition, [[Category:Wikimania 2025{{#translation:}}]] can be removed from all pages that use the template, as this is redundant to the transclusion through this template. –MrBenjo (talk) 19:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for this notice. Joris Darlington Quarshie (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MrBenjo, it exists for convenience. We are categorising the translated sub-pages into one base-category at Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations, which appears only on the translated sub-pages. It is similar to Category:Wikimania 2025 Scholarships/Translations - but I also feel the categorisation of Scholarship sub-pages into Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations is a bit weird, which could be resolved very differently. ─ Aafī (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- That means, we aren't creating unneeded categories/or having red-linked categories on our translated sub-pages. If you have any questions, kindly let me know. ─ Aafī (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I propose to do the same as on Category:Wikimania 2024 and categorize the translated pages into subpages of the respective language. The /Translations category is very chaotic and the subpages can be easily created by translating the 2024 category. Normally this is the standard procedure for categorizing and was also used in the last years. –MrBenjo (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Aafi: Please take another look at your changes on Category:Wikimania 2025 and compare it to literally any other translatable category here or e.g. at Meta-Wiki. This definitely is not correct and should be changed. I dont want to start reverting the changes and therefore remind you once again. The same applies for the header. Just look at the templates from the last years. –MrBenjo (talk) 12:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- That means, we aren't creating unneeded categories/or having red-linked categories on our translated sub-pages. If you have any questions, kindly let me know. ─ Aafī (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MrBenjo, it exists for convenience. We are categorising the translated sub-pages into one base-category at Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations, which appears only on the translated sub-pages. It is similar to Category:Wikimania 2025 Scholarships/Translations - but I also feel the categorisation of Scholarship sub-pages into Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations is a bit weird, which could be resolved very differently. ─ Aafī (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Aafi (or any other sysop): I ask you once again to remove /Translation from the category and to transclude it on all pages the header is used on. This is standard and used on Template:Wikimania 2024 header, every previous year and on any other wikis with Translation extension. It is pointless to categorise all pages into Category:Wikimania 2025/Translations, as I explained before. I have started to adapt the categorisation, now this has to be changed. Additionally the unnecessary (and wrong) syntax
{{Category:Wikimania 2025 {{#if:{{#translation:}}|/Translations}}has to be removed from 2025:Wikimania (and every other translatable page) as it sorts all translations into the non-existing Category:Wikimania 2025 /Translations. Thanks, –MrBenjo (talk) 18:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)- I honestly have no time to deal with your thoughts. We can have a difference in what we consider a more consistent approach. I believe putting up all translated sub-pages into one single category than a bulk of lang-code categories is way for convenient and consistent, but feel free to disagee. I have created the category at Category:Wikimania 2025 /Translations, which sorts translated sub-pages of 2025:Wikimania. Additionally, this is not a wrong syntax, albeit the hard you can say "it is not the prioritised/recommended one" but that doesn't mean it cannot be practiced. Given that I don't have time to get into more of this, I'd want to see if @Ameisenigel has to offer anything. ─ Aafī (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- First of all, the syntax is not wrong, as Aafi already explained. After all this seems to be a question of individual preferences. Personally, I prefer individual Categories for each language. This makes it easier to have an overview of all pages that are translated into a specific language. --Ameisenigel (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input Ameisenigel. I probably expressed my concerns a bit too drastically, as I only know the standard procedure from Meta-Wiki and the previous Wikimanias. But I share the view of Ameisenigel. If you are ok with the proposed changes Aafi, I would ask you or Ameisenigel to change the syntax to match the previous versions. If you insist on keeping it as it is, its fine with me as well. –MrBenjo (talk) 11:56, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- First of all, the syntax is not wrong, as Aafi already explained. After all this seems to be a question of individual preferences. Personally, I prefer individual Categories for each language. This makes it easier to have an overview of all pages that are translated into a specific language. --Ameisenigel (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- I honestly have no time to deal with your thoughts. We can have a difference in what we consider a more consistent approach. I believe putting up all translated sub-pages into one single category than a bulk of lang-code categories is way for convenient and consistent, but feel free to disagee. I have created the category at Category:Wikimania 2025 /Translations, which sorts translated sub-pages of 2025:Wikimania. Additionally, this is not a wrong syntax, albeit the hard you can say "it is not the prioritised/recommended one" but that doesn't mean it cannot be practiced. Given that I don't have time to get into more of this, I'd want to see if @Ameisenigel has to offer anything. ─ Aafī (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2025 (UTC)