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(Redirected from Wikimania 2006/Program/2006-03-09)Program meeting Thursday Mar. 9, 23:00UTC
[edit source]freenode#wikimania This was a very short, very small meeting. Apparently everyone was out sick? Or maybe I just need to remind ya'll more of meetings? or we need to change the time? :) In active attendance: GerardM, sj, brassratgirl, & Amgine
Agenda
[edit source]- individual speakers (see notes from last meeting)
- tutorial ideas - getting presenters
- research tutorial
- project-contribution tutorial content
- logistics - getting contact information for each invited speaker (what we need)
- free culture - offered help getting word out to free-license artists (for party, &c)
hopefully this will be a short meeting with most followup by email
Notes
[edit source]We talked about:
- individual speakers - ideas for invites
- presentation topic ideas
- what info to ask for from speakers - we brainstormed the following list:
- name, address, occupation, affiliation, short bio, wikiname if avail/so desired, photo if so desired, link to personal site / publications, talk topic/title (optional??), native language, native country, where they are departing from (and visa needs), tech needs for presenting, general special needs
Log (gerhead Turtle)
[edit source][3/9/2006 3:06 PM] <brassratgirl> weeelll... a bunch of people told me they *wouldn't* be here... [3/9/2006 3:06 PM] <brassratgirl> I guess we can wait around for a few & see who all shows [3/9/2006 3:07 PM] <brassratgirl> sj, did you get ahold of anyone about the website? [3/9/2006 3:07 PM] <GerardM> sj you were interested in specialised communications protocols for Afrika ? [3/9/2006 3:07 PM] <_sj|> gerardm: yes [3/9/2006 3:07 PM] <_sj|> and hi [3/9/2006 3:07 PM] <GerardM> to deal with things with cheap windows in the peering agreements and stuff [3/9/2006 3:08 PM] <_sj|> not sure what you mean precisely [3/9/2006 3:08 PM] <GerardM> have a mo [3/9/2006 3:08 PM] <_sj|> ways to provide cheap interfaces to a dynamic body of content [3/9/2006 3:08 PM] <_sj|> falls under projects and content [3/9/2006 3:09 PM] <_sj|> practical ways to expand the contributor base to places that don't have "traditional" networking would be interesting [3/9/2006 3:09 PM] <GerardM> We were aproached today by the University of Amsterdam (the "Vrije Universiteit") [3/9/2006 3:09 PM] <GerardM> they have a project that seems to be exactly what would help for this [3/9/2006 3:10 PM] <GerardM> this is HARD technology [3/9/2006 3:10 PM] <GerardM> but it will do exactly what we want .. make content available cheaply whereever [3/9/2006 3:11 PM] <_sj|> sounds interesting. any details yet? [3/9/2006 3:11 PM] <GerardM> We will talk with them on wednesday [3/9/2006 3:11 PM] <GerardM> They may also be interested in speaking at Wikimania [3/9/2006 3:11 PM] * GerardM I have that hat on nowadays [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <_sj|> neat. send updates to some appropriate place... and yes, encourage them to submit a presentation to wikimania [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <brassratgirl> Gerard: yes, that sounds great .. [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <_sj|> meanwhile the free culture movement is keen on helping us get free-license artists [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <GerardM> On a different note, Martin Mai (University of Bamberg) is using Wikimedia content for language training .. I asked them if they could give a presentation as well [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <_sj|> to perform at a party, provide music, &c [3/9/2006 3:12 PM] <brassratgirl> sj - nifty [3/9/2006 3:13 PM] <_sj|> could be cool. and it's good publicity. [3/9/2006 3:13 PM] <GerardM> If we want a talk about semantic web kinda content in a MediaWiki environment, I hope to discuss this tomorrow [3/9/2006 3:13 PM] <_sj|> gerard: he's activeloy using it now? [3/9/2006 3:13 PM] <_sj|> or is it still an idea? [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <GerardM> Martin Mai has demo software posted on Meta [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <_sj|> right, but is he using it actively? [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <GerardM> (references to what he is already doing) [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <_sj|> or preparing for next term? [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <GerardM> he is actively developing it [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <_sj|> ok [3/9/2006 3:14 PM] <_sj|> who's the audience tomorrow for the semantic web discussion? [3/9/2006 3:15 PM] <GerardM> Do you know what it is ? [3/9/2006 3:15 PM] <GerardM> it is the next thing after the world wide web according to Sir Tim [3/9/2006 3:15 PM] <_sj|> the semantic web? sure. we had a full panel on it last year. [3/9/2006 3:15 PM] <_sj|> tho it means different things to different people... [3/9/2006 3:15 PM] <GerardM> :) [3/9/2006 3:16 PM] <GerardM> this will be rather practical [3/9/2006 3:16 PM] <GerardM> anyway, that is my progress report I am afraid [3/9/2006 3:16 PM] <brassratgirl> gerard: sounds good .. [3/9/2006 3:17 PM] <brassratgirl> who are you talking about the semantic web with tommorow? [3/9/2006 3:17 PM] <GerardM> Barend Mons [3/9/2006 3:17 PM] <GerardM> he is a gifted speaker :) [3/9/2006 3:17 PM] -->| sistero_ (n=pheobeze@ip126-23-59-81.dyndsl.versatel.nl) has joined #wikimania [3/9/2006 3:18 PM] <--| sistero_ has left #wikimania [3/9/2006 3:18 PM] <brassratgirl> what does he do again? [3/9/2006 3:18 PM] <GerardM> He is the professor type [3/9/2006 3:19 PM] <GerardM> He is decidedly in the free content field [3/9/2006 3:19 PM] <brassratgirl> oh, ok [3/9/2006 3:19 PM] <GerardM> The potential for him to do good is astounding [3/9/2006 3:20 PM] <_sj|> On specific speakers : I have a second way to ping the librarian of congress now; maybe we'll get a response. [3/9/2006 3:20 PM] <_sj|> and the invite to Sir Tim is in his schedule-organizer's hands. [3/9/2006 3:20 PM] <brassratgirl> woo! [3/9/2006 3:20 PM] <GerardM> I would like to have Google talk about their Library project :) [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <brassratgirl> yes [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <_sj|> agreed. we have to find the right person to speak [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <_sj|> from google, from ibm, and a few other large orgs. [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <brassratgirl> If we invite them, I'm wondering if a tech or social presentation would be more interesting [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <GerardM> Sir Tim would be NICE [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <GerardM> for them the main thing is what do you do with it .. [3/9/2006 3:21 PM] <GerardM> they will want the things that are unexpected to them [3/9/2006 3:22 PM] <GerardM> Technical is great, but we excell by doing the data thing .. that is unexpected [3/9/2006 3:23 PM] -->| Amgine (n=chatzill@24.84.55.177) has joined #wikimania [3/9/2006 3:23 PM] <brassratgirl> hey amgine! [3/9/2006 3:23 PM] <Amgine> Heyla! sorry I 'm late. [3/9/2006 3:23 PM] <brassratgirl> we were just talking about google print [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <brassratgirl> & whether to invite them, and who... [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <Amgine> <nod> [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <brassratgirl> no worries, there's very few people here [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <Amgine> <grin> [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <brassratgirl> everyone called in sick, or something [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <_sj|> or simply passed on... [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <Amgine> Well, I'm gathering evidences, and forgot what the time was. [3/9/2006 3:24 PM] <_sj|> evidences? [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <_sj|> we do want someone working on g-translation to talk about that [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <Amgine> I'm up for RfAr. [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <brassratgirl> we do? [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <_sj|> or don't we? they are on our list, at least. [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <brassratgirl> I suppose so.. [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <_sj|> unlike g-print atm. [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <brassratgirl> there hasn't been quite as much consensus around translation as print, I thought [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <Amgine> Well, I know that Gerard has a connections with other machine translation. [3/9/2006 3:25 PM] <brassratgirl> print isn't on the list? hmph. [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] *brassratgirl will fix [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <Amgine> Where's the list, btw. [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <_sj|> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <GerardM> what is RfAr ?? [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <_sj|> brg: we have both, sorry :) [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <brassratgirl> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <_sj|> it's just that we have direct contact with Franz Och [3/9/2006 3:26 PM] <brassratgirl> same as ever [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <_sj|> and not with a particular G-printer [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <brassratgirl> g-translation's great, don't get me wrong [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <GerardM> I do know people .. Machine translation is NOT my cup of tea [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <brassratgirl> well, if we can figure out what angle we'd like to take re: print... [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <brassratgirl> we can likely find someone .. [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <Amgine> GerardM: What about logos? [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <GerardM> Definetly not [3/9/2006 3:27 PM] <brassratgirl> I may have library connections, or can figure them out, because they're scanning at Berkeley [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <GerardM> They are not in the picture at all [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <Amgine> <nod> Okay. [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <_sj|> brg: right [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <GerardM> I will explain later if you need to be convinced [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <_sj|> and someone from the Harvard digitization project would be interesting [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <brassratgirl> otherwise, I guess we call them up .. [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <Amgine> No, no need GerardM. I trust you. [3/9/2006 3:28 PM] <_sj|> we also need to schedule a library day, for people to camp out and use a local library in earnest; perhaps the month before... [3/9/2006 3:29 PM] <GerardM> One of the questions to ask these library types will be how will we may we benefit ? [3/9/2006 3:29 PM] <_sj|> gerard :? [3/9/2006 3:29 PM] <Amgine> GerardM: Libraries are very very supportive of Wikimedia. [3/9/2006 3:29 PM] <Amgine> They would like to find a way to fund us. [3/9/2006 3:29 PM] <brassratgirl> well, there's brewster's digitization as well [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <Amgine> What theme are we talking about, btw? [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <brassratgirl> we should figure out how many projects we want to bring in.. [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <GerardM> sorry that is not what I mean - I mean the library digitizing folk [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <brassratgirl> Amgine: all of them, apparently :P [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <brassratgirl> but digitization is free knowledge [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <_sj|> individual speakers, mainly [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <_sj|> in this case: [3/9/2006 3:30 PM] <_sj|> which ones to invite from larger orgs [3/9/2006 3:31 PM] <Amgine> ALA. [3/9/2006 3:31 PM] <brassratgirl> Amgine: I've thought about it, and I can't come up with a clear part of ALA to reach out to.. [3/9/2006 3:31 PM] <brassratgirl> the other library orgs are much-more tech focussed [3/9/2006 3:32 PM] <GerardM> Digitisation of PD stuff is freeing knowledge. For the rest we have to wait .. [3/9/2006 3:32 PM] <Amgine> <considers> There is a branch of ALA which is focused on electronic books. [3/9/2006 3:32 PM] <_sj|> We should send a cfp solicitation to the program coordinators for a few regional ala groups [3/9/2006 3:32 PM] <_sj|> right now I believe we've covered major sla groups, and some of ASIST [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <brassratgirl> ACRL & their local chapters might be better [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <brassratgirl> ACLR is the academic libraries branch of ALA.. [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <brassratgirl> and they tend to focus on this kind of thing much more [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <_sj|> so noted. [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <brassratgirl> sj - I assume NEASIST has been spammed? [3/9/2006 3:33 PM] <_sj|> what information do we need from speakers? [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <_sj|> brg: yes. they're actively trying to help. [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <brassratgirl> invited or non? [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <Amgine> ala.org is down. [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <brassratgirl> ala has the worst site ever. [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <_sj|> the local SLA president elect and the NEASIST president elect came to the local wikimeet last monday [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <_sj|> and had never met one another before :-) but were glad to [3/9/2006 3:34 PM] <brassratgirl> that's pretty awesome. [3/9/2006 3:35 PM] <_sj|> it was fun. we just talked about wikipedia use in libraries, but they'll be in touch re: helping with wikimania too. [3/9/2006 3:35 PM] <_sj|> there's this study from mit, in which they wanted to know which parts of the library were used most by students [3/9/2006 3:35 PM] <_sj|> and they had an "other" field and lots of students filled in "Wikipedia" [3/9/2006 3:35 PM] <_sj|> so many that someone wrote this up... the NEASIST rep said she'd try to get the survey creators to submit something [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <Amgine> ALA Lita website is also down. [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <_sj|> maybe suggest a panel of students. [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <Amgine> NT server. [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <brassratgirl> As I see it, you're going to get two groups of librarians -- local ones, and ones that are actively interested in tech/wikis/open source/etc. I'm trying to hit up major people in the latter group, mostly bloggers. [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <brassratgirl> Amgine: like I said, it's total crap :) [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <_sj|> info we need from speakers: [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <brassratgirl> (btw, amgine: lita is a good idea) [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <_sj|> on top of what's requested by indico already, a license release on their abstract; [3/9/2006 3:36 PM] <brassratgirl> name, address, occupation [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <brassratgirl> affiliation, short bio, wikiname [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <brassratgirl> photo if so desired [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <_sj|> (not all have wikinames) [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <Amgine> <nod> Amazing that the IT part of ala has a down server though. [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <brassratgirl> (if available) [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <_sj|> yes, photo and short bio early [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <_sj|> link to personal site / publications [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <brassratgirl> oh, and talk topic :P [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <_sj|> (optional) [3/9/2006 3:37 PM] <brassratgirl> talk title? [3/9/2006 3:38 PM] <GerardM> Do we want to have people present projects that have not been started ? [3/9/2006 3:38 PM] <GerardM> That would prove interesting .. they have to convince .. [3/9/2006 3:38 PM] <_sj|> gerard: it would be a harder sell, I think [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <brassratgirl> Gerard: I think it would have to be judged on a case by case basis [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <Amgine> <nod> Not as invited speakers, anyway. [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <_sj|> not a reason not to submit an abstract, however [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <brassratgirl> something where people can actually present data or results is more interesting [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <GerardM> :) Why not :) give them the opportunity [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <GerardM> We have so many rooms ? [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <brassratgirl> but a theoretical idea can be good. Depends on the topic. [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <Amgine> <nod> Be a good idea for a submission, but not good for invited. [3/9/2006 3:39 PM] <GerardM> We can invite, we may not fund them coming [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <_sj|> brg: also native language(s) [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <brassratgirl> Gerard: but not infinite rooms :) [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <_sj|> to help prioritize translations [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <brassratgirl> sj: visa needs [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <_sj|> yes. [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <brassratgirl> sj: other travel needs? [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <_sj|> native country and where they will be departing from [3/9/2006 3:40 PM] <brassratgirl> yes [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <GerardM> It would be a "finge meeting" [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <_sj|> a space for special needs [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <_sj|> gerardm: there's the notion of "BOFs" -- birds of a feather meetings [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <GerardM> they can be bof's [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <brassratgirl> "special needs" - dietary, mobility, etc. etc. [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <brassratgirl> tech needs? [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <Amgine> <nod> [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <_sj|> yes. projector; speakers? a provided machine? [3/9/2006 3:41 PM] <brassratgirl> That kind of thing could make a really good bof, actually [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <brassratgirl> a round-robin discussion of people's upcoming projects [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <_sj|> brg: we can draft a form for them. [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <Amgine> I'd like to see such project proposals also have a chance at a main podium too. [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <brassratgirl> sj - ok [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <_sj|> gerard: would be a fun bof, especially if there's still room for others to weigh in [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <_sj|> and give their opinions. [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <brassratgirl> sj: am still working on the invite letter, will send to you [3/9/2006 3:42 PM] <_sj|> we can have some bofs that just self-form at the conference; but bofs are welcome to submit abstracts too [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <Amgine> <whinces> Maybe not always, sj. Imagine Wikiversity? [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <_sj|> brg: you rock [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <brassratgirl> sj: we need to draft a separate "here's the call for papers" non-specific letter, too [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <_sj|> yep [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <_sj|> amgine: totally. case by case [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <GerardM> Martin Mai's stuff fits in with WIkiversity [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] *brassratgirl imagines her weekend... [3/9/2006 3:43 PM] <_sj|> wikiversity may have enough to talk about to offer a projects session; wikipeople[sic], in contrast, may not [3/9/2006 3:44 PM] <Amgine> <imagines brg's weekend on the stove> [3/9/2006 3:44 PM] <brassratgirl> amgine: precisely [3/9/2006 3:44 PM] <brassratgirl> did martin mai present last year? help me out, here [3/9/2006 3:44 PM] <_sj|> (though the brits thinking about starting such a project might have a bof related to that.) [3/9/2006 3:45 PM] <_sj|> brg: no [3/9/2006 3:45 PM] <GerardM> He did not [3/9/2006 3:45 PM] <GerardM> he was there though [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <_sj|> he just needs to submit an abstract about what he'd like to present, then we can talk about it in april :) [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] * _sj| has to run [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <brassratgirl> ok [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <GerardM> .. I will press harder .. he has not been to the US before [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <GerardM> .. so have I .. [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <_sj|> tutorials : getting tutorials specific to each project? [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <_sj|> gerard: ahh so [3/9/2006 3:46 PM] <brassratgirl> cormac sent out that email about the research tutorial (wince) [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <_sj|> yes.... [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <Amgine> Tutorials do not always work across languages within a single project? [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <brassratgirl> we've talked about it a bit - and we agreed that if no one takes it on, we can schedule it anyway... [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <brassratgirl> and tailor it more around who's acutally going to be there [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <brassratgirl> there's been a fair amount of interest, but everyone involved is incredibly busy right now [3/9/2006 3:47 PM] <_sj|> amgine: why not? [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <_sj|> brg: a good person to ping about that is jamesf, when he's not away [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <brassratgirl> right. [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <Amgine> Are we talking about a tutorials for Wikimania? [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <_sj|> yes [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <brassratgirl> Amgine: yes [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <GerardM> James is still the CRO of the Wikimedia Foundation [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <Amgine> Okay, then I'm out of order. [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <brassratgirl> yes, I need to talk to him about it [3/9/2006 3:48 PM] <GerardM> Then again I do not know what that is worth with all the committees .. [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <Amgine> Important, GerardM. [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <_sj|> must run. catch up later... [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <Amgine> And he's had a bit more time the past two weeks. [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <brassratgirl> bye sj [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <--| _sj| has left #wikimania [3/9/2006 3:49 PM] <brassratgirl> I have to go myself soon
at this point, there was some miscellaneous talk about mailing lists, some personal conversations, and the meeting slowly faded away