Template talk:Welcome

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Welcome message for users[edit source]

Just thinking through how we can be provocative information dumping. We could look to having a dynamic and progressive welcome message. Rather then subst: a static message, we can have something that is specific to the 2019 event, and that updates as you update. While I generally do not encourage bot welcomes, it may be something to consider if we do coerce the template to be specific, even though it may mean we welcome spambots.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I take it that you are talking about a welcome message for users who register as new users on the Wikimania wiki? If we should have one, it should definitely be year specific, especially as some of the new accounts could be potential attendees from outside the Wikimedia movement. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Fair call, probably create a standard template that subst:s to output Template:Welcome2019 and we can look to set up a bot to run mw:Manual:Pywikibot/welcome.py. There is zero welcome message at this time, and nothing used in 2018.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable. What information should be included in the standard template, in your opinion? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Ummmm, I would think mainly simple, and try to keep the active components in their own template so translations to the actual template can be kept to a minimum. Thinking out loud HERE, EDITING, NOW, NEXT …
  • A line of introductory about purpose and language of wiki, and civil and equitable treatment of users. Pointer that explains the structure of the wiki (such a page needs to be created)
  • A line about editing, being normal wiki, and pointing them elsewhere for that help. (We are not babying, or managing any functional wiki guidance, we should soft redirect to metawiki or mediawikiwiki as required)
  • [Template:Wikimania2019] Pointer to 2019 pages, structure and 2019FAQ; would be replaced in 2020 with [Template:Wikimania2020]
  • [Template:2019WM-massmessage] Guessing that you are going to do massmessage delivery, newsletter or something in that field,so a direct link to where they would subscribe 2019WM-mass-message at meta.
  • [Template:Whatsnew] What you want to have the know about next
There may be a sixth point, however, that will do to start.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Good points. I'm in favor of such a template, just giving a thought as to who should develop it (both in terms of coding and phrasing). Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
As it will be a permanent, and dynamic addition, I will start the first couple of lines we can taste test it, and then let the translation process start. The additions can follow their addition and their translation as things ready.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Noting that 2016 had a reasonably extensive message ... wm2016:Template:Welcome  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Did you start the first couple of lines? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 11:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

As a next round of concept (and @Quiddity:)

  • Template:Welcome with 2 dynamic parts 1) Wikimania2019 message, and 2) What's new.

Suggest once we are happy with the text in the base template we put to be translated into all languages. We get the bot to apply {{TNT|welcome}} and for 2019 we sign on behalf of WMSE organising committee with a nice landing page link.

For the subparts,

  • 2019 message (will need tweaks), though doubt changed that often; we want constant reminder of time and place, time and place, time and place; visually clear. If reasonably static message, we can set to be translated. Readily updated in 2020.
  • New teasers. Something like that where you want to drive eyeballs, I would like to think that we would could more sweetly standardise messages. At English Wikisource, we have s:en:Template:New texts which has standard formatting sub-part; or something like the translatable m:Template:Main Page/WM News. If updated regularly, you may just wish to target the real key languages.
  • Not touching newsletter at this point until know whether "MediaWiki message delivery" is happening/of interest

 — billinghurst sDrewth 12:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

And if this is mostly suitable, I can move the discussion to Template talk:Welcome  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I think your input is good, and the template seems reasonable. Having the talk at the template talk is perhaps easier, as it seems to take place at several talk pages simultaneously at the moment :-) Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment I will start putting this into place and maybe seeking some broader feedback, then we can set it to be translated.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)