2019 talk:Program

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Why is the page "Related activities" not linked here?[edit source]

Why is the page 2019:Related activities not linked here (i.e. the project page, not discusssion page)? Now there is only link to hackathons but not a link to this page.

The information would be essential for those who are trying to decide whether or not to take part to the pre conference days. The early bird registration ended already.--Urjanhai (talk) 10:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Please see the update. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

More icons[edit source]

[moved here from 2019_talk:Draft]

I suggest that we also add icons in the program for the sessions that are being streamed and recorded respectively. The icons for these could be Video Camera Live.svg and Video Camera - The Noun Project.svg. What do you think? Ainali (talk) 13:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ainali, I don't believe there's value in adding a "filmed" icon to the program - since the videos will only be available after the fact, at which point their position in the program for the physical space/time is irrelevant information for the viewer. For the 'livestreamed' icon that IS relevant to the chronological program and can be added - once we're certain which ones will be done so. Last year I added such an icon and linked it to this section at the bottom of the program page: https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program#Remote_attendance . I think such a subsection can be created again, or just linking directly from the icon straight to the stream (once the url is known) or the playlist. Wittylama (talk) 22:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
@Wittylama, at previous Wikimanias, I have selected to go to sessions that I cannot view afterwards. So the information that something is being recorded, even if it is uploaded at a later date is important. Now, if we manage to record all sessions, the need to mark it in the program is obviously redundant, but that still remains to see if we can solve with this many parallel spaces. Ainali (talk) 08:36, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Ainali - I think you’re right we need to indicate filming/streaming on the program in some manner. But I’m not yet sure the best way to do that. Learning from experience of last year, we have a few different factors and they’re hard to maintain: there’s the live-streaming done by the wmf team itself (which will be in one half of the main hall. There’s filming being done ‘officially’ (by that same team). And then there’s filming being done by the space-Leaders/knowledge-savers/attendees in general.
I don’t want to put on the program that a session is being filmed, if it is being filmed ‘independently’ and the post-production/upload is out of the hands of the organisers. That would create a false expectation of service. Based on experience - Some of those will be uploaded quickly, some slowly, some not at all...
We can put the livestream icon on the program, but the livestream is only useful to people who are not attending, and therefore they won’t be looking AT the program. If anything it could be on some new page or subsection. Last year I made a subsection of the program at the bottom of the page called ‘remote attendance’ and listed all the live-streamed sesssions with their YouTube links all in one spot. Wittylama (talk) 09:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Good points. I can give you an update from the Knowledge savers team. It seems that we will be able to stream all the sessions where we can hook in to the sound system in the university. All other sessions will be recorded and uploaded later. So there will be no need for ‘independent’ recordings. So perhaps it is less important to mark it in the program now that all sessions actually are getting covered. Ainali (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Horizontal scroll bars for tables[edit source]

If looking at the morning schedule, you need to go down ~one screen to get to the horizontal scroll bar for the table, which isn't ideal. It looked like it was intentional to have separate scrolling, with the overflow divs. Is there a good compromise that would make the scrolling easier? /Sebastian Berlin (WMSE) (talk) 08:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to take a crack at fixing this and making the program easier to read on phones: phab:T228868. /Sebastian Berlin (WMSE) (talk) 13:08, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Whatever you can do to improve the usability of the tables, please do so User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE). I've broken them into smaller chunks, and added the times on both left and right columns, and made them scroll rather than merely extend off the side of the page, and made the columns have a minimum width (so they don't become excessively skinny). But if you've got fancier methods... go right ahead! Wittylama (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I just started planning the sessions I wanna attend, and also saw for sometime that when I enlarge the table, it doesn't scroll but rather shows me only the first columns. I can only see the whole of the tables when everything looks tiny. Now I came to this discussion page to say this and exactly saw this existing discussion. First, thanks for this as now I realized there is a scroll bar beneath a bottom table. With that, I can't see scroll bars for the other tables. Do I miss them? If they don't exist, I would also love for this option, if there is someone with technical abilities to add scroll bars beneath each table. אומנות (talk) 01:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

The tables are still very difficult to view even with a laptop. I don't know if this is a property of the pages or a property of the browser. Horizontal scroll bars would be needed in the browser window like there are now vertical scroll bars in the browser window. When the scroll bars are on the bottom of the table, you must go to the bottom of the table and then back to where you are in the table and move between these continuously. Does anyone know if there is an option to get horizontal scroll bars in the browser window itself?--Urjanhai (talk) 09:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

But the problem seems to have a solution: at least in Firefox you chan choose to use arrow keys to navigate in the page, and this solves the problem. The arrow keys seem not to be in use by default but this option can be chosen in settings.--Urjanhai (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
But still the page is easier to use by phone or tablet than by laptop. As long as the web browser lacks horizontal scroll bars the page cannot in practice be used with a 14 iches laptop screen.--Urjanhai (talk) 08:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
But isn't the final problem that that the wikimania pages are not able to tell the browser to use horizontal scroll bars at the bottom of the page? Could this bug not be corrected?--Urjanhai (talk) 11:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Free Knowledge and the Sustainable Development Goals – Spotlight Session[edit source]

Is this keynote speakers session requires registration with additional payment, besides the general registration for the main conference? It's not clear to me because when I wanted to sign up for that I don't see "attending list" on its description page, compared to other sessions I browsed through which show that, and as this key-notes sessions directs to "eventribe" where there is payment-registration to just that on Friday alongside the Hackathon and 3-day main-conference payment registrations. אומנות (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

dear אומנות, if you are registered for the whole (three day) conference, you can attend anything on Friday, Saturday and Sunday - including the “spotlight” session. The organisers are also providing a specific Friday-only ticket for people who only wish to attend the “spotlight” session but not come for the rest of the event. Wittylama (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Ho okay Wittylama, it's what I thought and hoped, still wanted to avoid inconvenience and unfortunate situation over there as this key-note session speakers look in a very high level and as completely different-general format as compared to the intimate workshops; so I though, maybe, this year it's as separate detached gathering of its own. I also later saw further that almost all sessions don't have attending list registration this year, sorry, I didn't realize that at first. I thought we should register on the pages to give an indication for the organizers how many people attend. So thank you very much for your swift reply, for quickly reassuring me! :-) אומנות (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Room placement?[edit source]

Is it correct that room Yousafzai moves from Rotunda to Allhuset on Saturday afternoon? Ainali (talk) 19:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I figured it out from edit comments. Ainali (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

URL Shortener[edit source]

@Wittylama:

Edit request: Please add URL shortener to the top of the page (https://w.wiki/5uk) :

<span style="float:right;"><code>[https://w.wiki/5uk w.wiki/5uk]</code></span>

Jheald (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

done. Wittylama (talk) 00:01, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

final Break before the closing party[edit source]

Two different times on left/right side. --Bahnmoeller (talk) 22:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

fixed. Wittylama (talk) 23:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Updating presenters for a session[edit source]

@Wittylama:: Any chance you (or someone you know) could update the list of speakers in the schedule for the state of research session? The current list on the session page should be accurate. -- Aaronshaw (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

fixed. Wittylama (talk) 23:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Indication of video does not correspond to information at 2019:Video[edit source]

The list at 2019:Video is much more comprehensive than what the current program would suggest. I just wanted to go in and fix this but the page protection prevents me from doing this. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@Wittylama:, as requested by edit summary of the protection. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 03:39, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
In what way would you like to adjust it Daniel? Wittylama (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
As in this edit, for all sessions where a video is available. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 03:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Feedback[edit source]

Hi, will there be a page for feedback to the organizers? Thanks. --Teemeah (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

a survey form will be sent around to all attendees by email. Wittylama (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

All presentations not yet online?[edit source]

Does anyone know what the status is regarding uploading all presentations? I checked here but am still missing some: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2019_presentations Are the presenters meant to upload their own or do the space leaders take care of that? EMsmile (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

No reply yet. Pinging @User:Eric Luth (WMSE). EMsmile (talk) 01:18, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I think that @Audrey Lebioda, Nationalmuseum: or @Ainali: can give you the best answer. Is there a specific presentation you are looking for? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 07:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
@Eric Luth (WMSE): Uploading presentations were never on the Knowledge savers agenda. If it were we have not been informed. It is usually on the presenters themselves to upload them since no one else can chose the license for them even if the do have availability to the slides. But the space leaders should remind everyone in their spaces to upload the presentations now. Ainali (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Ainali (talkcontribsblockall projects) My apologies. I misread (too quickly) as videos. As Ainali says, @EMsmile:, it is a task for the presenters. If there is a specific one you are looking for I would advise you to reach out to the presenter themselves. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 07:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me User:Eric Luth (WMSE) and others. There are several presentations that I would like to share with my peers (my main interest being getting other scientists into Wikipedia editing) and it's a bit cumbersome to ask presenter by presenter (haven't got their e-mail addresses either). I made a post about Wikimania here and noticed that there are no easy links to all the videos and all the presentations. It seems that more videos have been uploaded than presentations which is a pity because I think most people want to first view the presentation and then, if they like the content, perhaps watch the video. Videos are more time consuming to watch than clicking through a presentation. Can you please remind the space leaders to remind all their speakers. Probably the space leaders have the ppts on their computer already. How about just an "opt out" clause?: If presenters don't object then their presentation will be uploaded. Surely it's all CC-BY SA copyright given that we are talking about Wikipedia here? If the videos can be uploaded then why not the same presentations as well (currently about 50 more videos are uploaded than presentations). Many of the presentations were excellent, it would be a pity to not capture all that content in an easy-to-acccess place... Just for comparison this is how we set up the conference page afterwards for a conference that I was involved in (not Wikipedia stuff): https://fsm5.susana.org/en/downloads/conference-materials It should basically be standard that presentations from a conference that is about knowledge sharing are available afterwards for everyone to view them. EMsmile (talk) 11:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)