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Maintaining this site as covering all Wikimanias, not just the current one?[edit source]

How are we planning to do this? We've not got a track record of doing that, as this is the first time we've had a single site. There's how MediaWiki.org handles hackathons, but does that work for us?

Jdforrester (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Your link is broken … Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Jdforrester What about mass importing all past Wikimania sites, and redirect all of them? After that, we can mark them as archived, and focus on building Wikimania 2019 contents. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:27, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Liuxinyu970226: Oh, absolutely yes, that too, but how do we decide what the front page talks about? "Most" visitors will be looking for the "next" conference, but how do we decide when to change the Main Page to a general one, or to be about the new one? A week after? A month? During the closing ceremony? Jdforrester (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
A month after, at least. Or: If there’s useful content available for the next Wikimania. Example: Right now, two weeks after Wikimania 2018, there’s still no real content here for Wikimania 2019 (exact date, exact location, …). Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Form my side. It is very easy. See the steps:

  1. Create the wikimania webpage as you did previously
    1. If new logo is wanted, you can change it temporarily by simply asking on Phabricator in #wikimedia-site-requests
  2. Organize Wikimania
  3. At least a month after Wikimania (preferably more, wikimania2017wiki was closed in December, Wikimania itself in August), create a task on Phabricator and request several things:
    1. Revert all customizations that happened via Phabricator, like the logo
    2. Create new namespace called after the year (in this case, 2019:)
  4. Move all pages in main namespace to 2019: and in talk: to 2019 talk: without redirecting by a bot (should be simple to write), maybe add a template to all of them like "Wikimania is over, you might want the same page for current Wikimania"
  5. By an abuse filter, disallow all but sysops to edit pages in this year namespaces (you can also use namespace wide editnotice if you want to)
  6. Add general main page to inform visitors
  7. Wait for next Wikimania
  8. Repeat this check-list

I should note creating wiki is a very difficult proces. There are efforts to make it easier, but right now, it is non trivial process. Doing all (?) other changes like logo changes or namespace changes is easy and takes a few of minutes.

I'm not sure importing content from other Wikimania wikis is really necessary. I'd treat the site as closed and do not touch it. As there is no sense to duplicate it, I'd not do anything like merging. Real deletion of a wiki is way more less common and harder than creating wikis and just redirecting them (without deleting them) will cause questionable benefits to us. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good, but doesn't it lack a step to prevent tons of broken links after a namespace move? I imagine people from other wikis/private blogs/etc. will keep linking to talks etc. which will all result in broken links once step 4 in your list will have been completed. --Vogone (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
A semi-solution for this (at least for links created using the interwiki map) might be to continue creating "wm2xxx:" interwikis for each year but making them lead to the relevant namespace. --Vogone (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Or you just put everything under a "2019" prefix since the beginning and redirect the main page to the "current" year, like e.g. https://fosdem.org/ and tons of annual conferences do. --Nemo bis (talk) 11:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
IMO we don't need a full NS, just a prefix like incubator (2019/Main page, 2019/Scholarships, ...) is sufficient. I saw this concept on DebConf wiki as well, and this looks good if we are to reuse the same wiki. — regards, Revi 06:35, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
+1 to prefixes. That also resolves the eventual problem of constant dropdown menu growth for the namespace-selector in Search and other special pages.
+1 to the rest of Martin's notes, minus part #4. Quiddity (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Who is assuming the maintenance of this wiki, apart from the yearly organizational teams? I think they should be the one who makes a decision about this. — regards, Revi 05:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

If we only had experiences with that topic. ;-) (Yes, a rarely used internal wiki for the conference organizers, unaware to both, volunteers as well as staff.) It also uses prefixes. Best, DerHexer (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Having one wiki for all Wikimanias[edit source]

I'm sceptical of the idea. We will probably need to introduce a incubator-style system of prefixes in order to keep the several Wikimania events separate, which is certainly not going to simplify navigation (in fact we could just as well use metawiki now like m:WMCON does). My impression was that getting rid of such prefixes and being able to adjust the navigation sidebars individually for each event is exactly the reason why a separate wiki from meta might be desirable. By introducing a central Wikimania wiki, these two advantages are gone. Following the hackathon example you linked might work for us, but I do not see the advantage compared to having a separate wiki for each event, yet. --Vogone (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree, I’d prefer separate wikis for separate Wikimanias. Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Like I said 5 years ago at m:Wikimania_project_domain I support to merge all wikimania wikis into one Wikimania wiki. IMO makes no sense to duplicate all templates and other useful stuff every year. We can for example move past Wikimania related pages under namespaces (2015:, 2016:, 2017:) or make them default to avoid broken links and massive page moves in future. Stryn (talk) 19:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. I'd like to quote from IRC: "<bawolff> Shirley: creating a wiki is like creating a baby, yes you should have a good reason to create one, but if you don't for whatever reason, you should have an _extra_ good reason for killing one", see wikitech:Delete_a_wiki . --Martin Urbanec (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
+1 to Stryn's comment. I was around 5+ years ago as well; trying to make this happen, and I'm very glad it did. That being said, considering the decision has already been made (Jdforrester's comment below), may I suggest we move discussions about the unified wikimania wiki to somewhere else (or remove altogether)? I'm quite certain this it will attract unnecessary attention, and turn this Main Page talkpage into a possibly heated debate club. I'd say we give the good folks working on this some quiet time, so they can focus on the important stuff. :-) Rehman 04:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, but that decision has already been made. Jdforrester (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the moment that it's will be main wiki for Wikimanias — for Wikimania 2018, Wikimania 2019, etc. I still supporting creating separate wikis, and I also suggest create templates on this wiki and import templates from this wiki to Wikimania etc. wikis. Marshmallych 10:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I thought that moving to single Wikimania website was already decided. Now I am more interested in the next steps to be done. I guess, Stockholm team will soon start creating their wiki-space, and they better start doing it in line with wikimania.wikimedia.org guidelines from the beginning. Changing something after the 2019 team starts their work will only add mess.
Sadly, I am not offering my own help, since my previous modest contributions to wikimania wikis were only about translations administration. However, even I can try helping if we already know what kind of help we need. --Ата (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Talks, Votes, Scholarships, Social Network[edit source]

We have some requirements for a complete wikimania application. I am working on a prototype of that to integrate into wikimania.

  1. We need a talk proposing system with voting, reviewing, accepting rejecting system (There was a mediawiki extension for that and it was abandoned long back)
  2. We need a Scholarship handling mechanism. Profiles of people, Scholarship application, Reports etc.. (some kind of prototypes can be found in all wikimania wikis but we need a complete dedicated system for that)
  3. A good event management system inside this wiki is essential thing for the success of wikimania.
  4. Slides, Videos and links to phabricator, github etc is needed for good documentation. All sessions must be recorded and uploaded into commons, youtube. All slides must be available. Also all the hackathon codes must be linked to wikimania itself.
  5. Need good photogalleries of all events and other photos available on commons is a great plus.
  6. Social Network of the wikimedians who participated in wikimania. The Main outcome of wikimania is making relations between other people around the world. A list of friends met on a particular wikimania is a must.
  7. An Android app or web app built upon wikipages is a good idea.

These are my thoughts. I am working on some prototypes. Hope we can implement something on this wikimania. Comments, Suggessions thoughts welcome- Happy to hear from you. :) --Ranjithsiji (talk) 09:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Regarding #6: Do you know en:Wikipedia:Personal acquaintances? Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Title[edit source]

It's probably time to move so that all this year's content is appropriately prefixed by a "2019", as usually done by most yearly conferences. We can move the main page to 2019 and change MediaWiki:Mainpage to "2019" but then we also need to remember creating the pages in namespace 0 as its subpages. Nemo bis (talk) 12:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Need basic info[edit source]

Hello there,
The community starts to share information about 2019 events such as Wikimania. It would be a positive move to give the Main Page some more basic informations. You can check Wikimedia_Hackathon_2019 or something such :

  • Main Page: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org
  • Venue: ..., Stockholm, Sweden ?
  • Time: every day, 9am to 5pm.
  • Dates: August 14-18, 2019
    • Hackathon dates: August 14-15th, 2019 ?
    • Conferences dates: August 16-18th, 2019 ?
  • Scholarships application: <date> ?
  • For: <purpose / this year focus >
  • Participants: <number and profile of expected participants>
  • Contacts: <talk page and|or email>

So we can share the news and basic informations around. Best regards and thanks a lot <3 Yug 14:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Yug! We're working hard to get the new wiki up and running. Keep an eye on the page in the upcoming days. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Now there is informaton about applying for scholarships but no information so far about call for papers.--Urjanhai (talk) 09:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment Urjanhai. We are working hard on updating this page. If you have specific questions, ask Wittylama, the program committee chair. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I already sent an email to you. :) But I will ask Wittylama.--Urjanhai (talk) 10:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
If I might add my question here, @Wittylama: Is it already known when the main conference will start (not the exact date, but the day)? In the example above, Yug presumes that August 14-15 will be for a hackathon with the main conference starting August 16, but I think that's just meant as a mock-up. I would like to attend the main conference from start to finish, if possible, but not any preceding hackathon or similar. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the main conference component is Friday 16, until Sunday 18, August. Wittylama (talk) 22:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@Wittylama: Thank you for the very fast, helpful reply, I appreciate it! :-) Gestumblindi (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks all for these information ! I will forward it to relevant young and powerful users so they get the info in time <3. Yes! Gestumblindi, yes : my thing was a mock up following previous wikimania formats. Up to the Sweden team to clarify the correct values for each item. Yug (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Development of the Wikimania Wiki[edit source]

Hi all,

With a couple of volunteer developers, the development of the new Wikimania Wiki has started. You can follow (and indeed take part in!) the development on the phabricator task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214888

Best, Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for this ! It start to be quite elegant with that slider ! :D Yug (talk) 17:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Happy to hear! :) Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm not really fan of this slider. It's little annoying. I don't like that all the "cards" are changing their size when put mouse on one card. Stryn (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
I think it could be improved. For instance, the anchor points are wrong. I.e. the zoomed state is zoomed into a meaningless area of the overall image... Rehman 16:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

VisualEditor[edit source]

I am sorry, to ask here, but I havent found the better page. How to swith on the VisualEditor on this wiki? Juandev (talk) 00:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems as the visual editor doesn't work in the 2019: namespace (or due to some other reason?). Does @Billinghurst: or perhaps @Quiddity: know how to do this? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Working for me
I am no expert on VE, and especially not in the translated pages, but it seems to be working in both style of pages, even if it is uglyish where translated.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Juandev: Re the preference setting, it is on the same page as other wikis Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Eric Luth (WMSE) and Billinghurst: Hacking the URL works, but to get the links/tabs to show up for everyone you'll need to file a phabricator task -- tag the task with #visualeditor and #wikimedia-site-requests, and link to this discussion. See phab:T127819 for a related example.
It is definitely more complicated to edit <translate>'d pages with VE, but it will make editing other pages easier, so I endorse. Quiddity (talk) 16:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, will have to look up this. It's a bit of a problem that people are adding translation tags even before the page is finishd (like with 2019:Travel guide. Makes it much harder to edit it. Even more so if we want other people to help out with it. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
@Quiddity: I don't get it. How would such a task help editing pages with translation tags with visual editor? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:16, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
@Eric Luth (WMSE): utilise {{under construction}} otherwise there is no indication of whether the page is text complete or not.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I did that for 2019:Travel guide for example, but someone took it away. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Eric Luth (WMSE): for pages with <translate> tags it would not help, it would hinder editing those sections of the page (although sometimes the pages will only be partially translated, if past wikimania-wikis are any indication). It's definitely a complicated balance of pros/cons, and might be better to leave it off - or we could just try to do better at collectively not marking pages for translation too early. HTH! Quiddity (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I'd rather not have had the 2019:Travel guide with translation tags yet, because the page is not done yet… Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Infotmation about visas[edit source]

How i can make article with information about visas to Sweden and make link to the article on the main page? --Fenikals (talk) 13:29, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Fenikals:. What kind of article are you proposing? Feel free to draft whatever you're proposing in your sandbox for example. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)