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Maintaining this site as covering all Wikimanias, not just the current one?[edit source]

How are we planning to do this? We've not got a track record of doing that, as this is the first time we've had a single site. There's how MediaWiki.org handles hackathons, but does that work for us?

Jdforrester (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Your link is broken … Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Jdforrester What about mass importing all past Wikimania sites, and redirect all of them? After that, we can mark them as archived, and focus on building Wikimania 2019 contents. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:27, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Liuxinyu970226: Oh, absolutely yes, that too, but how do we decide what the front page talks about? "Most" visitors will be looking for the "next" conference, but how do we decide when to change the Main Page to a general one, or to be about the new one? A week after? A month? During the closing ceremony? Jdforrester (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
A month after, at least. Or: If there’s useful content available for the next Wikimania. Example: Right now, two weeks after Wikimania 2018, there’s still no real content here for Wikimania 2019 (exact date, exact location, …). Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Form my side. It is very easy. See the steps:

  1. Create the wikimania webpage as you did previously
    1. If new logo is wanted, you can change it temporarily by simply asking on Phabricator in #wikimedia-site-requests
  2. Organize Wikimania
  3. At least a month after Wikimania (preferably more, wikimania2017wiki was closed in December, Wikimania itself in August), create a task on Phabricator and request several things:
    1. Revert all customizations that happened via Phabricator, like the logo
    2. Create new namespace called after the year (in this case, 2019:)
  4. Move all pages in main namespace to 2019: and in talk: to 2019 talk: without redirecting by a bot (should be simple to write), maybe add a template to all of them like "Wikimania is over, you might want the same page for current Wikimania"
  5. By an abuse filter, disallow all but sysops to edit pages in this year namespaces (you can also use namespace wide editnotice if you want to)
  6. Add general main page to inform visitors
  7. Wait for next Wikimania
  8. Repeat this check-list

I should note creating wiki is a very difficult proces. There are efforts to make it easier, but right now, it is non trivial process. Doing all (?) other changes like logo changes or namespace changes is easy and takes a few of minutes.

I'm not sure importing content from other Wikimania wikis is really necessary. I'd treat the site as closed and do not touch it. As there is no sense to duplicate it, I'd not do anything like merging. Real deletion of a wiki is way more less common and harder than creating wikis and just redirecting them (without deleting them) will cause questionable benefits to us. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good, but doesn't it lack a step to prevent tons of broken links after a namespace move? I imagine people from other wikis/private blogs/etc. will keep linking to talks etc. which will all result in broken links once step 4 in your list will have been completed. --Vogone (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
A semi-solution for this (at least for links created using the interwiki map) might be to continue creating "wm2xxx:" interwikis for each year but making them lead to the relevant namespace. --Vogone (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Or you just put everything under a "2019" prefix since the beginning and redirect the main page to the "current" year, like e.g. https://fosdem.org/ and tons of annual conferences do. --Nemo bis (talk) 11:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Having one wiki for all Wikimanias[edit source]

I'm sceptical of the idea. We will probably need to introduce a incubator-style system of prefixes in order to keep the several Wikimania events separate, which is certainly not going to simplify navigation (in fact we could just as well use metawiki now like m:WMCON does). My impression was that getting rid of such prefixes and being able to adjust the navigation sidebars individually for each event is exactly the reason why a separate wiki from meta might be desirable. By introducing a central Wikimania wiki, these two advantages are gone. Following the hackathon example you linked might work for us, but I do not see the advantage compared to having a separate wiki for each event, yet. --Vogone (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree, I’d prefer separate wikis for separate Wikimanias. Regards --Schniggendiller (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Like I said 5 years ago at m:Wikimania_project_domain I support to merge all wikimania wikis into one Wikimania wiki. IMO makes no sense to duplicate all templates and other useful stuff every year. We can for example move past Wikimania related pages under namespaces (2015:, 2016:, 2017:) or make them default to avoid broken links and massive page moves in future. Stryn (talk) 19:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. I'd like to quote from IRC: "<bawolff> Shirley: creating a wiki is like creating a baby, yes you should have a good reason to create one, but if you don't for whatever reason, you should have an _extra_ good reason for killing one", see wikitech:Delete_a_wiki . --Martin Urbanec (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, but that decision has already been made. Jdforrester (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the moment that it's will be main wiki for Wikimanias — for Wikimania 2018, Wikimania 2019, etc. I still supporting creating separate wikis, and I also suggest create templates on this wiki and import templates from this wiki to Wikimania etc. wikis. Marshmallych 10:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC)